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As beautiful as it is ( and i love hammerhead spaceships!) i am very worried that its a bit heavy on the guns. It just might be a lot of bark and little/no bite? it seems like its designed to handle a swarm of snub ships, target saturation to handle accuracy but not much "kick" for bigger ships?

 

(ofc you can upgrade the guns but still?)

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1 minute ago, The_Director said:

As beautiful as it is ( and i love hammerhead spaceships!) i am very worried that its a bit heavy on the guns. It just might be a lot of bark and little/no bite? it seems like its designed to handle a swarm of snub ships, target saturation to handle accuracy but not much "kick" for bigger ships?

 

(ofc you can upgrade the guns but still?)

If I'm reading it correctly (which I probably am not since the new stats stuff is a fucking mess) it looks like the guns are size 4, in which case its 16 size 4 guns.. aint no one gonna survive that xD

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34 minutes ago, Waor said:

"No more attack ships! More civilian ships!" - CIG

 

"Ha! Sike! All attack ships!" - 2017 Anniversary Sale

 

Ship looks interesting, but really tired of Fighters. 

 

They also said they were only building ships that will be used in SQ42 in order to get that out of the shop....

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1 hour ago, Akanoes said:

If I'm reading it correctly (which I probably am not since the new stats stuff is a fucking mess) it looks like the guns are size 4, in which case its 16 size 4 guns.. aint no one gonna survive that xD

 

16 on the arms, with more on the two unmanned, so, yea ...

 

 

54 minutes ago, Waor said:

Ship looks interesting, but really tired of Fighters. 

 

looks to me like this ship is the solution to anyone who is tired of fighters  :)

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I really want to get one of these, because it seems like it'll be easier and cheaper to run escort missions with than my Polaris, and also I have a 10% off subscriber coupon so I could get another $50 off (so merely $500! haha).

 

But as I mentioned earlier I'm not sure I can afford it, and after reviewing the Polaris and Hammerhead specs I'm not sure the Hammerhead offers *that* much more defense than the Polaris can muster already. Yes, the Hammerhead has a better overall assortment of anti-fighter turrets that are better placed, but the Polaris is no slouch either.

 

Specifically, the Hammerhead has 24 size 4 guns on its turrets. The Polaris has 12 size 4 guns on its turrets. Clearly the Hammerhead can repel fighters better. No contest.

 

But the Polaris also has 2 size 5 guns to take out bigger ships. And while the Polaris turrets are not positioned as well for full coverage, it does have the fighter in its hangar that can provide extra coverage.

 

As far as small missiles, that's a tie with both having 32 size 3 missiles. I won't even get into the Polaris having 28 size 10 torpedoes because there's no comparison there. The Polaris is a cap ship killer, and the Hammerhead is not. And using those torpedoes will cost mega UEE credits.

 

Notably, the Polaris has a capital size generator, whereas the Hammerhead has two large generators. That means the Hammerhead may not be able to fully power all its guns and shields nearly as well as the Polaris (a capital size generator is roughly equivalent to three large size generators, so the Polaris has 50% more power than the Hammerhead). Also, the Polaris has capital radar vs just medium radar on the Hammerhead, so it can detect threats from much further out.

 

I'm trying to convince myself not to get the Hammerhead since I already have a Polaris, and I think this analysis mostly convinces me. The Hammerhead is clearly superior at killing fighters and destroying torpedoes, but the Polaris is still pretty decent at that too. And, not that it is particularly relevant, if it came down to a fight between the two, I'd bet heavily on the Polaris taking out the Hammerhead.

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the Polaris is a capital ship that is built to kill big ships, it is offensive by design

 

the Hammerhead is a large ship designed to kill little ships, it is defensive by design

 

I think we'll be doing more defense than offence, defending convoys and points

 

the Polaris will clearly be better for the largest fleet-scale battles, but even there the Hammerhead will have a role - defending caps and even second line support ships from fighter harassment

 

both ships will do well at mid to small scale battles, but the Hammerhead will be more effective (and efficient) at killing fighters

 

I think, and this is all rampant speculation, that we will find ourselves in small to mid scale fights against fighter frequently, and so the Hammerhead seems like a reasonable purchase, but the Polaris will come in very handy for the (more rare) fleet-scale actions 

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1 hour ago, Drakin said:

I'm trying to convince myself not to get the Hammerhead since I already have a Polaris, and I think this analysis mostly convinces me. The Hammerhead is clearly superior at killing fighters and destroying torpedoes, but the Polaris is still pretty decent at that too. And, not that it is particularly relevant, if it came down to a fight between the two, I'd bet heavily on the Polaris taking out the Hammerhead.

You are right the Polaris would win if they was fighting each other. I also think a lot of people will buy a Hammerhead. So we have a lot of them in the fleet. So you don't need to buy one yourself. 

 

But you are right CIG should start making more ships like the 600i so I don't have to buy them. 

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I am thinking of melting my Pioneer as I will not see that ships I say for the next year or two. Then using the money from that to CCU my Retaliator to a Reclaimer and buying a Hammerhead. Then buy the Pioneer back after Xmas or when they start working on it. What you guy think.

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If you remember my old discussion about melting the polaris, this ship has just killed my doubts: Orion re-melted, Hammerhead bought!

 

The Polaris, compared to the HH, will have a different role, they complete each other, but its running costs and the number of required people that worried me. That being said, keep the one you prefer. The HH suits me best and works decently along my current fleet.

 

@RSLtaken sounds good. I wonder when we will see the Pioneer ship + the "settlement" mechanic in-game.

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40 minutes ago, Karon said:

 

@RSLtaken sounds good. I wonder when we will see the Pioneer ship + the "settlement" mechanic in-game.

I do not see us getting the Pioneer for at least 18months. Unlike with the HH CIG do not have any art work already made to help them. CNOU only has the mustang and that getting a rework as we speak. So they don't have as much art work they can re-use. Then it a big ship 200m long 120m wide. I see us getting the HH fast. They take parts of other Aegis ships and just add stuff to it. Also everything it has we got working in game now. Yes the turrets are not the same as we have now, but most the work is there. You just need so more animations for them. I say 3 months we be flying it. 

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I have just enough to get one. I already went ahead and got a Carrack and a Reclaimer (melting and CCU other stuff). I have a BMM that I am going to CCU up to SOMETHING by the end of this sale. I am leaning hard to the HammerHead But 9 crew members... The Polaris Isn't any better. I could run a fleet a 5 ships with NPCs for what it would take to run one Hammerhead. I almost wish I didn't have a 250$ BMM, because its CCUs for 350 now, I would almost rather an Orion or Crucible (and they aren't allowing BMM to Crucible) 

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10 hours ago, ichi said:

I think, and this is all rampant speculation, that we will find ourselves in small to mid scale fights against fighter frequently, and so the Hammerhead seems like a reasonable purchase, but the Polaris will come in very handy for the (more rare) fleet-scale actions

 

Yes, I completely agree with everything you wrote. If someone has a choice to get one or the other, the Hammerhead is the better ship for the missions we're more likely to be on.

 

My point is more that I *can* do the same missions as the Hammerhead using a Polaris. It isn't quite as good for those missions, but I can do them, and do them well. Therefore I don't have a huge incentive to drop another $500 to pick up a Hammerhead. In other words, there's not a huge "hole" in my inventory of ships that needs to be filled, and since it would be a stretch to get it, I don't think I will.

 

I'd love to team up with a Hammerhead for joint missions, though. As others have said, they should complement each other quite well.

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100m x 40m x 20m at 195000 kg 

5 hours ago, mr_selfdestruct said:

I have just enough to get one. I already went ahead and got a Carrack and a Reclaimer (melting and CCU other stuff). I have a BMM that I am going to CCU up to SOMETHING by the end of this sale. I am leaning hard to the HammerHead But 9 crew members... The Polaris Isn't any better. I could run a fleet a 5 ships with NPCs for what it would take to run one Hammerhead. I almost wish I didn't have a 250$ BMM, because its CCUs for 350 now, I would almost rather an Orion or Crucible (and they aren't allowing BMM to Crucible) 

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On topic the Hammerhead stats on weight should be crazy wrong, at 195,000 kg for a 100mts ship with 2 large: power plants, coolers and shields. 4 large main thrusters and 14 maneuvering thrusters. The hull should be weak, but how much. Found nothing about materials in the brochure, but they mention that the first loss of a Hammerhead was due a torpedo from fighter-bomber (I'm assuming that was a small one) that hit the engine room and then the crew managed to detonate explosives not allowing the disabled spacecraft to fall into enemy hands. 

So in terms of weight this ship sits between (correct me if I'm wrong) the Prowler 34mts/171,700 kg and the Vanguard 38mts/238,616 kg. And can take a torpedo hit and survive. Kinda crazy to me.

 

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6 minutes ago, DaftOlll said:

100m x 40m x 20m at 195000 kg 

 

So in terms of weight this ship sits between (correct me if I'm wrong) the Prowler 34mts/171,700 kg and the Vanguard 38mts/238,616 kg. And can take a torpedo hit and survive. Kinda crazy to me.

 

I think it just missing a 0. I think it should be 1,950,000, or it made out of cardboard. 

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So....I'm not sure what it was about this ship, but it has tickled my fancy. I melted down a few things that I felt would not serve me in the roles that I feel i will be occupying. This thing looks like a beast, and I love it!

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Sigh ... both aquila and dur become victims of the hammer for me as well ( 325a served as an lti base and last upgrade  to merchantman helped to lower the amount of RSI creds ).. but I could melt it later, we will see

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