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Who has experence with VIRPIL controls?

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Ehmm think the noobifier or something have alot of revievs on them youtube. And i think he have had them for few years. Dont know how reliable he is as he seems to get them for free. 

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On 3/15/2019 at 4:22 PM, Wolfwood said:



I watched a youtube video or two from a "shootout" comparison, but more looking for long term use opinions. 

 

Not Free and not Biased. I have done  Virpil, VKB, MFG, Thrustmaster, I am not a one trick pony.

 

OP Ask me whatever you like at noobifiermedia@gmail.com

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I have a T-50 since late 2018, then bought a throttle on the day-one, you can see a couple pics in the thread I opened about my setup here (I will update it soon with some RIO stuff I built for DCS F-14). There are some recordings of DCS in my youtube channel as well.

 

Virpil is great. Yet sometimes bloody garbage QA-wise. Don't get me wrong, I love them but being an old customer I had to live with some serious issues. I don't want to write a poem so, short version, the throttle was delivered with every bloody internal screw very loose (or totally unscrewed). I had to open it and put them back together. I don't use the detents because I fly primarily rotary-wings but other folks are having issues with them. That being said, the throttle is quite nice, has some really smart touches such has the Master Arm switch and lots of keys. Its software allows to bind different functions to the 2-way latched switches that comes assigned to a single button by default so I'm happy about the flexibility. Btw, it's based on the ATmega32u4, as the Arduino Leonardo/Genuino I use for my HID Control Panels (DCS-BIOS works via serial instead) so I am aware of its potential. It comes with a tons of different controls but I don't use it much because I'd rather build a dedicated control box depending on what I'm playing with. Nevertheless, if you are short on buttons, the throttle is quite good, the three most important axis use hall sensors instead of pots (they should have made the antenna elev that way as well though). For arcades such as Star Citizen though, something such as the TWCS might be a bit better: lower cost, acceptable amount of buttons and a very useful rudder axis in case you don't have pedals (Pro tip: buy pedals).

 

The T-50 is another story. Mine was one of the first batches so it came with the dreaded threadlocker that has caused so many damages when trying to swap cams. Guess what, my cams had some quality issues and were causing some sort of friction and vibrations and I spanned a screw while trying to get them off (despite the soldering iron at 400 deg). I sent it back and it got "lost" for two months in the Minsk customs. Actually, initially they said they received it, later on they realized they simply messed up. I had to contact Amazon to finally have an answer though.

That being said, the centred stick is another planet. I had a CH Fighterstick for 15 years and they cannot be compared. I thought CH was amazing but Virpil, damn, it's simply so good. The precision you have when manoeuvring is incredible: AAR is much easier, same as pinpointing targets or aligning for a salvo of S-8.

Quick note: for the love of god, avoid the TM Warthog. I tried it a few times and it's a very good stick for DCS but its gimbals are a massive nope. I expected much more for its cost. A good solution though is a used Tog stick + a T-50 base.

 

At the end of the day, Virpil is still a fairly new company. They might have overstepped a bit and rushed some parts but they are finally recovering by slowing down deliveries and improving many aspects such as the software. I definitely reccommend them if you are someone that is not afraid of using a screwdriver: Virpil is meant to be opened and adjusted (screws, cams, etc) to deliver the best experience.

 

Feel free to ask anything you need (I'm way more active on Discord though).

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On 3/30/2019 at 7:01 AM, Karon said:

For arcades such as Star Citizen though, something such as the TWCS might be a bit better


I still don't really consider SC an "arcade" as far as controls. NMS is more what i think of in that respect. heh. 

I did forget to mention. My current setup is 2x TM t16000m sticks and the TM TWCS Throttle. I've been debating getting pedals, but have been holding off given my currents setup having 3 Z-axis available. 

 

 

On 3/28/2019 at 9:39 PM, TheNOOBIFIER said:

 

Not Free and not Biased. I have done  Virpil, VKB, MFG, Thrustmaster, I am not a one trick pony.

 

OP Ask me whatever you like at noobifiermedia@gmail.com


Mainly just looking for user experience. How do they feel, is it worth the price, horror stories, ect.. 

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Might be, I don't have NMS. I (used to) fly SC using the same control settings I used in WC and Freespace and both are arcade games so fast-paced, quite intuitive, non-realistic games. You can't, in fact, use the same configuration for, eg, SC and flight simulators: for example the Ka-50 profile for my CH Pro Pedals feels quite similar to the real Robinson R44 pedals in terms of strength and balance but it's totally unusable for SC. In primis the yaw axis is not on the pedals but on the stick (at least in my cfg), in secundis the curves are very hard and not responsive enough for a fast-paced game as SC.
I hope that clarifies what I meant.


 

Pedals or not it's up to you. In my opinion HOTAS and Pedals > 2x sticks. With the former you have more axis (6 vs 8+) and since you manoeuvre the most with pedals and stick, you can use your "secondary" hand to reach any possible additional controller you may need. But again, your choice :)

 

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On 5/14/2019 at 8:37 AM, Karon said:

Pedals or not it's up to you. In my opinion HOTAS and Pedals > 2x sticks. With the former you have more axis (6 vs 8+) and since you manoeuvre the most with pedals and stick, you can use your "secondary" hand to reach any possible additional controller you may need. But again, your choice :)

 

That's kinda where im starting to lean. While its, interesting and neat having dual sticks, im finding im not liking having to switch between throttle and left stick constantly, especially in combat and don't want to have to move my hand too much (if at all) if i don't have to. Even switching the throttle to the z-axis on the stick base is alot because you are still 'disabling' some of your movement in order to do it. So yeah, im leaning more towards stick+throttle+pedals. 

On that note, im now looking into reviews of pedals. So far im looking a Slaw vs MFG (about to watch noobs mfg video).

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